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Antheus · Oct 19, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Absolute power? Really? If they want to ban people for complaining on the forums, you would be okay with it??? If banning people would be against the law, they should still be allowed to do that??? Is ANet above the law for you????

Sure, that's what companies with official forums do.

Break the rules on forums, bye bye game account. Permanently, no refund.

Make a WoW account, then make a whiny post on official forums. Come back here, and tell us how much fun it was. If you buy online, it should only take about 3 hours, they have much faster response rates there.

Club Penguin, the multi-million subscription game sold to Disney recently. It's MMO for pre-teens. Go in there, say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO in general chat, and you're gone in a matter of seconds. Literally.

-Loki- · Oct 19, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by ThyNecromancer

Anet is your best friend until you buy their product. I was sold when they said that we would get to level 25. Then as I was a few hours into the game, I asked my guildmates on coms where my levels are and they said that anet changed their minds just before the game release. I felt I was scammed at that point.

Arenanet never said you would be able to get above level 25. Ever.

Drakken Breathes Fire · Oct 19, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Guild Wars still has plenty to offer, I literally went out and bought a brand new computer THIS SUMMER just to play it AND picked up all the chapters + GW;EN.

If there was no effort there'dve been no hook for me, and I'm more than certain I'm not the only newb in the world.

Do I care if people all up and f*ck off when GW2 comes out or before hand? Hell no, I really just play with my girlfriend now as it is anyways, and a couple of my close real friends. (Though I'll join pretty much any idiot-free PUGs now and then.)

Do I expect the creators to lay awake at nights wondering if I'm going to cry if the servers close down and I'd blown $90-$120 on some temporary gameplay? Again; f*ck no.

Do I expect new content everyweek to keep me enthralled? f*ck no, it's ALL new content to me because this is literally my first time through ANY of the campaigns. Events are nice. Meeting new people is nice, when I get bored of pve, there's pvp titles and well, real life.
Even then, I'd still put them above BLIZZARD, who to this day; still 'update' Diablo 2 with more and more bogus runewords that literally make every item before them useless and 'world events' which are pointless to anyone who doesn't bot. They also waited HOW LONG to even THINK about Starcraft 2? The reason being? people kept playing Starcraft and Broodwar, they weren't pressured into making it.
Guild wars is apparently losing a lot of it's steam, is it any wonder why suddenly there's a sequel coming out for a game a FRACTION as old as say Starcraft? Dont blame their 'lack of trying' Like you said, they've got your money, they actually dont have to. They dont have to make a GW2 Either. They're going to though.

Furthermore, there are much more important people in the world that we actually mean nothing to, and I'm more worried about THEM.

lyra_song · Oct 19, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Theus

Yeah..thats apparent in the current state of pvp.

I think Anet got sick of PvP players treating them like shit (who could have instead influenced the game towards proper pvp balance if they actually articulated their opinions instead of being flaming trolls), hence the alpha purge, and then the current state of PvP, ie: disenchantment and less interest but more direct input from more players (instead of just select pvp alpha players). Anet got burned.

Bryant Again · Oct 19, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

But then when you've been banned from as many things (with no reason given) as I have, paranoia is a natural reaction.

Or you might just not care anymore, like me. Three (edit, four) bans and counting.

Moral55 · Oct 19, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

Arenanet never said you would be able to get above level 25. Ever.

Actually I do remember this, they mused on it vary briefly when they first started putting out info on GWEN, but it was dropped and never spoken of again so I don't see how he could come to the conclusion it was finalized.

cebalrai · Oct 19, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

[Disclaimer : NOT a complaint thread.]

I am merely curious what our individual worth actually IS to A-Net these days. How far along the chain from individual personages to the error-margin on a statistic have we become by now?

One tends to notice in smaller communities that individuals do have some measure of worth, since loss of an individual will significantly deplete the community... and when one does something disapproved of, there tend to be measures taken to reindoctrinate the individual.
In larger communities like this one (yes, Guru) and as is becoming the trend in online games, it becomes gradually easier to just get rid of the folk who act against the social norms or make a mistake here and there.... as they will easily be replaced by new users within a short space of time, and their loss won't make the slightest dent in the community. People gradually become as itchy skin cells to merely be scratched off and replaced with new ones.

So just how far along this line of thinking ARE A-Net now?
Is it getting as extreme as it had at Neopets for example: a site where, due to a minor infraction on the part of my ex-wife's younger sister, both of their accounts AND several of mine were permanently banned (and I'd been playing it since the very beginning)?

How much of its player-base will A-Net quite willingly ostracise or eradicate in the course of progress?

I cling to the game presently, and actually forcibly control myself to a level of discomfort in order to just play the game... but I have no doubt it is just a matter of time until I am flicked aside as if I'd never existed.

Stop acting like such a victim?

Also, your [Disclaimer: not a complaint thread] at the top of your complaint isn't fooling anyone.

Dr Strangelove · Oct 19, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Answer: Everyone acting like Arenanet has personally killed their puppy is disposable.

Everyone else is not.

Rocky Raccoon · Oct 19, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

It isn't a matter of "no reason" so much as very little reason.
The bigger and more anonymous the community, the less the misdemeanour required to get banned.
As such... as the community grows... the banning borderline spreads inwards... past my threshold first.... and eventually past the thresholds of normal players... until people don't know why they're being banned at all.

I wish you would explain your threshold. Maybe that way we would all know what we have to be careful about. I myself have played for over 2 years and don't think I have come close to anything I could get banned for, so anything you might enlighten with would be helpful.

Jeremy Untouchable · Oct 19, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Anet does a great job, and this is a great game. however Everything isnt for Everyone. So if its not for you. MOVE on there are thousands of games out there begging to be played. less QQ please. I personally believe anet loves the game and the ideals behind the game.

HawkofStorms · Oct 19, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Moral55

Actually I do remember this, they mused on it vary briefly when they first started putting out info on GWEN, but it was dropped and never spoken of again so I don't see how he could come to the conclusion it was finalized.

I NEVER heard that before. Please stop spreading rumors around as facts.

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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[Disclaimer : NOT a complaint thread.]

I am merely curious what our individual worth actually IS to A-Net these days. How far along the chain from individual personages to the error-margin on a statistic have we become by now?

One tends to notice in smaller communities that individuals do have some measure of worth, since loss of an individual will significantly deplete the community... and when one does something disapproved of, there tend to be measures taken to reindoctrinate the individual.
In larger communities like this one (yes, Guru) and as is becoming the trend in online games, it becomes gradually easier to just get rid of the folk who act against the social norms or make a mistake here and there.... as they will easily be replaced by new users within a short space of time, and their loss won't make the slightest dent in the community. People gradually become as itchy skin cells to merely be scratched off and replaced with new ones.

So just how far along this line of thinking ARE A-Net now?
Is it getting as extreme as it had at Neopets for example: a site where, due to a minor infraction on the part of my ex-wife's younger sister, both of their accounts AND several of mine were permanently banned (and I'd been playing it since the very beginning)?

How much of its player-base will A-Net quite willingly ostracise or eradicate in the course of progress?

I cling to the game presently, and actually forcibly control myself to a level of discomfort in order to just play the game... but I have no doubt it is just a matter of time until I am flicked aside as if I'd never existed.

Read your first and last sentence. the 'no doubt' tends to make one think you're complaining. Just because you like to put on a fancy show and act like you are not complaining, doesn't make you cool or anything. Just gutless =D.

Anyway, if you want to know how much something is worth, try buying it. If you want to know how much something can sell for, try selling it.

Also, they have future games to be sold and keeping a customer happy might be in their interest. Pissing off one customer will piss off another with a similar personality.

Paranoia was brought up, and it is not the right way to go. You have no reason to be paranoiac if there is nothing you can do to prevent being banned (if it's as random as claimed). Shut up and play, you'll be fine. If you think you'll get banned... Fine, wait for it and I'll personally win a court case for you :]. Random banning's won't happen in this game, unless by accident.

arcady · Oct 19, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

If banning people would be against the law, they should still be allowed to do that??? Is ANet above the law for you????

But banning people is not against the law, so other than, and I'm inferring here, as an attempt to sidetrack and inflame, your hypo is entirely moot.

Dr Strangelove · Oct 19, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Club Penguin, the multi-million subscription game sold to Disney recently. It's MMO for pre-teens. Go in there, say RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO in general chat, and you're gone in a matter of seconds. Literally.

I know what I'm doing with my Saturday night

Mac Sidewinder · Oct 19, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I found this from another site I visit I think it sums it up pretty well our positions nowadays as compared to the beginning:

Since there is no monthly fee all that the community matters is that initial $40-$50 we pay to get the initial product. After that we don't matter, cash is already in hand. They have made their profit on us period. Then the next time we matter is when there is a new chapter or expansion and only for that period of time of profit. After that we are a liability to anything new they produce that they don't get paid for.

If this were true then there wouldn't be a NEXT time for most customers. Your customers can't be a liability or they no longer are your customers.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I'm sure you are familar with the carrot in front of the horse issue? Well Anets carrot is little gimmicks to keep people coming back to buy that next $40-$50 chapter or expansion. Prophecies they added Sorrows Furnace to give us HOPE that this would be a regular thing. Well it wasn't it was a ONE time thing, but, we suckered up to that carrot for the next chapter and HOPING for more. Notice how each new chapter added something we basically had to PAY for? More storage which they said they would NEVER charge us for was charged for in Factions. Three Heroes were added in Nightfall that makes playing Prophecies and Factions easy as hell. And now the final gimmick the addon mission pak for $30 or $40 more IF you buy through the game store. If not you don't get it. Pressure sales marketing at its finest..

Lets see.... adding more content is enticing and bad at the same time? If you had a product and never attempted to improve it do you think you would be in business long?

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I don't know of many companies that have great interest in their liabilities except how to "reduce" them. Thus Anets way of reducing costs now for GW1 is to make things not as bright as they once used to be. Their way to reduce it was to implement GRIND and we can see from many threads that GRIND is the single most hated thing that these players who post here talk about nowadays. GRIND will push a number of players (I can't give exact figures) away from the game. Anet/NCsoft are at that point there is no more INCOME to be had from GW1 so everyday is a liability to them having to keep the servers on for it. So, they want people to quit playing it now, they already got your money...

This is so crazy i just had to laugh. You actually think that Anet wants to DRIVE everyone away from GW1 so they will buy GW2? If you get pissed off enough to leave a product do you actually think you are going to buy another from the same company? How by doing this are they going to get anymore of your money? No they are going to try to keep the majority of the people as happy as they can.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

EDIT: Oh I will also add that the loot code and the general nerfs to our favorite skills are also things they KNOW will drive players away. People don't want to put in their little time they have only to get a smidgen of loot. I would think many of these people are used to Diablo 2 like loot and when you play this game of GW and spend days and days and days and barely get a handful of gold, that becomes unfun to people. Then of course the nerfings to the skills and all in the name of balance blah blah. lol Anet/NCsoft know exactly what they are doing and doing it on purpose.

When NCsoft pulled the plug on Auto Assault they showed themselves for what they are. Money grubbing corporation, they had no care in the world for the Auto Assault community, they pulled the plug on them and gave nothing back. Even some of the worst mmo/mmorpg's haven't done that to their community. Shadowbane probably one of the worst of them all gave it's community free servers, they didn't pull the plug.

This whole post just smacks of someone that doesn't like some of the changes that have been implemented. Now is the majority of players felt the same way you can bet that Anet would change them. Its in their best interest.

I know this is a wall of text but I just couldn't see this posted without a reply. I'm not a huge Anet fan simply a mostly satisfied customer that feels like he has gotten what he as paid for so far. And when I feel differently, I will move onto something else. If Anet satisfies me enough then I will probably buy GW2. But if they DRIVE me away then i certainly won't.

Turtle222 · Oct 19, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Opinion of what?

Guild Wars is a product. You either buy it or don't. That's all there is. There is no philosophy, or deeper meaning, or anything.

But constantly repeating the same old mantra gets old, especially when it doesn't make any point beyond what everyone who ever bought something with money knows already - you get what you pay for, and you are free not to buy anything.

It's not rocket science, it's by far the simplest and most common transaction in everyday life.

And when dozens, even hundreds of your posts get deleted, that's a hint, that some topics, views, or other issues are irrelevant to this forum.

There's other GW forums. Perhaps those would be better suited for moralization about the ethical complexities over metaphysical existence of Anet's relation to the ether in which customers exist.

It's a game for $49.95 for Pete's sake. What do you expect? Royal treatment? Butlers, body guards, masseuse, '76 Pinot?

It's a game you buy, play, and leave. And buy another one. That's all games are. And looking into anything more, including "I quit", "Anet lies", "OMG A NERF" is simply usual forum nonsense that some people feel is necessary. The problems start when people start believing what's written in such forums, and actually develop emotional relation to the company and the product.

C'mon - do you also ponder the relation of Shell towards its customers, and how much you are worth to them?

There is no relation - it's a mutually beneficial relation with no emotional involvement. The second one party perceives the benefits as insufficient, the relation is terminated.

Only Sith deal in absolutes. Banning everyone is nonsense.

Oh so very very very very true.

Don't you think you are taking this too far? If you or whoever you know has been banned, then it is simply because you have done something wrong.

Complaining about Anet (i honestly dont think your disclaimer is true) "not caring" is ridiculous.

Just please let it be, this Topic is not doing you justice.

Drakken Breathes Fire · Oct 19, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Answer: Everyone acting like Arenanet has personally killed their puppy is disposable.

Everyone else is not.

Agreed. 100%.

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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But banning people is not against the law, so other than, and I'm inferring here, as an attempt to sidetrack and inflame, your hypo is entirely moot.

It is actually, if it doesn't go by the EULA.